New York Times Uncovers Russia’s 21st Century Propaganda Machine | Morning Joe | MSNBC

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>>>IT’S VERY CUTE.>>WE’RE TALKING ABOUT CHICKENS AND ROOSTERS.>>I PERSONALLY KNOW.>>JOINING US NOW, “NEW YORK TIMES” MEDIA COLUMNIST — SERIOUSLY RECONSIDERING.>>ARE THEY EDIBLE?>>IF YOU CALL IT CHICKEN, I’LL EAT IT.>>HIS LATEST ARTICLE IS THE LATEST COVER OF THE MAGAZINE TITLED — “R.T., SPUTNIK AND RUSSIA’S NEW THEORY OF WAR”, AND HE WRITES, IN PART, THIS. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, R.T. HAS COME TO SUPPORT THE HUB OF A NEW STATE MEDIA OPERATION. ONE THAT TRAVELS THROUGH THE SAME ONLINE CHANNELS, CHASING THE VIRAL HITS AND MEMES AS THE REST OF TWITTER AND FACEBOOK AGE MEDIA IN THE PROCESS, RUSSIA HAS BUILT THE MOST EFFECTIVE PROPAGANDA OPERATION OF THE 21st CENTURY. SO FAR, ONE THAT THRIVES IN THE FEVERISH POLITICAL CLIMATES THAT HAVE DESCENDED ON MANY REPUBLICS. TELL US MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU LEARNED.>>TO ME, THIS WAS AN INTERESTING STORY BECAUSE WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE SUBTERRANEAN PART OF THIS NETWORK. IT’S WHAT THEY TOLD US ABOUT, AND HERE’S OUR SPUTNIK, AND THIS IS WHAT I FOCUSED ON. THEY ARE OUT IN THE OPEN, AND THAT’S WHAT THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY SAYS, VAST NETWORK WE TALKING ABOUT NOW ON FACEBOOK AND TWITTER. THEY ARE VERY OPEN ABOUT THEIR AIMS OF RT AS THEY DENY EVERYTHING ELSE.>>HOW SOPHISTICATED WERE THE PEOPLE YOU DEALT WITH. ONE OF THE BIG ARGUMENTS THAT DEMOCRATS MAKE IS THERE HAD TO BE COLLUSION BECAUSE THERE’S NO WAY THE RUSSIANS ON THEIR OWN DID THINGS THEY NEEDED TO DO. ARE THESE SOPHISTICATED PEOPLE.>>I THINK THEY’RE PLENTY SOPHISTICATED. WHO KNOWS IF THE TELEVISION WILL FIND OUT ANYTHING. IS IT REALLY HARD TO FIGURE OUT.>>HOW DID YOU FIND OUT OR WHAT DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT APPARENTLY THE FACT THAT THE RUSSIANS ARE MORE FORTHCOMING ABOUT HOW THEY USED OUR SOCIAL MEDIA THAN FACEBOOK ABOUT WHAT THE RUSSIANS DID THROUGH FACEBOOK.>>I MEAN, I AM STILL ASTOUNDED THAT FACEBOOK HAS NOW SAID WE FOUND THESE RUSSIAN ADS, BUT WE’RE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU MUCH ABOUT THIS. CAN YOU IMAGINE, WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME ANY SHADOWY ADD ON INVESTIGATION COULD CONSUME JOURNALISM. NOW IT’S LIKE MAYBE THAT HAPPENED. IT’S LIKE I’M SHOCKED HOW LITTLE INFORMATION WE STILL HAVE ABOUT THAT CAMPAIGN.>>DONNY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT — BY SAYING THIS, I AM NOT ENDORSING WHAT THEY ARE DOING. IN FACT, I’M FRIGHTENED BY WHAT THEY’RE DOING. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT. THIS IS BRILLIANT. YOU YOU’RE A STATE TRYING TO PROJECT POWER. ONE EIGHTH OF THE ECONOMY OF THE UNITED STATES AND ONE EIGHTH OF THE ECONOMY OF CHINA. YOU’RE ALMOST BOXED INTO A CORNER BY TALK ABOUT GETTING THE BIGGEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. IT SEEMS FAIRLY POIGNANT TO ME IN TERMS OF AN OPERATION. WHAT PUTIN UNDERSTANDS IS RUSSIA IS A BRAND. COUNTRIES OR CORPORATIONS AND THE SAME WAY WE ACT SHOCKED THEY WERE TRYING TO METAL OUR ELECTION. OF COURSE THEY WOULD. IT’S COKE AND PEPSI. IT IS FOR LIMITED — IT’S GORILLA COMMUNICATIONS AT FINEST. ALSO UNDERSTANDING HOW PEOPLE CONSUME TODAY. THIS IS THE WAY PEOPLE CONSUME. DO A COMMERCIAL FOR LAUNDRY DETERGENT ON ABC, WHAT I HAVE TO GO THROUGH VERSUS ANYTHING ON FACEBOOK, WHICH HAS THE MULTIPLE HUNDRED TIME REACH AND THERE IS NONE OF THAT. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT AT LEAST IN THIS COUNTRY.>>THERE IS A WEAKNESS IN OUR SYSTEM, JIM, AND THE RUSSIANS ARE EXPLOITING IT. WHAT’S THE STATISTIC NOW. 50% OF AMERICANS GET THEIR NEWS FROM FACEBOOK.>>IT’S HUGE. I THINK THAT NUMBER GOES UP.>>THIS WOULD BE LIKE RUSSIA BEING ABLE TO CONTROL WALTER CRONKITE’S BROADCAST IN THE LATE 60s, EARLY 70s.>>WITHOUT SOCIAL MEDIA WE WOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT R THE AND SPUTNIK. THEY’RE RATINGS ON THEIR OWN ARE FINE. GIVE THEM A SOCIAL MEDIA LIFT AND.>>THEIR TURN ON INVESTMENT ON THIS IS INCREDIBLE. THEY SPEND SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT THE AMOUNT OF INFLUENCE THEY’VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE, LEVERAGING SOCIAL MEDIA IS EXTRAORDINARY.>>YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR JIM.>>JIM, I’M JUST WONDERING IF YOU SEE ANY SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVES FOR THE RUSSIANS IN TERMS OF THE EXPOSURE OF THESE ACTIVITIES. THIS IS A COVERT ACTION THAT IS NOW ANYTHING, BUT COVERT. THEIR TECHNIQUES ARE EXPOSED. CUTOUTS, THE PEOPLE THEY USE TO DISTRIBUTE INFORMATION IS EXPOSED. DO YOU THINK THAT’S GOING TO HURT THEM IN THE LONG RUN.>>WE SAW IN FRANCE THAT IT WASN’T AUTOMATIC. THE STRATEGY THEY APPEARED TO USE AGAIN. IT’S NOT JUST RT AND THESE OTHER ONLINE ACTORS ON THAT AND AROUND FACEBOOK. THEY DIDN’T SUCCEED IN FRANCE. GERMANY THERE’S EVIDENCE OF MERKEL HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION, DON’T SEE THE SAME LEVEL OF ACTIVITY. THERE’S ALSO NO INDICATION THIS IS GOING TO STOP. THE STRATEGY WORKED SO FAR.>>I’M GLAD JIM BROUGHT UP FRANCE. I’M WONDERING WHETHER THAT HAS BACKFIRED IN ANY WAY. THEY’RE VERY OPEN. PUTIN MADE AN ENEMY OF MACRON THE FINAL WEEK OF THAT CAMPAIGN AND SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOOT AT THE KING, YOU BETTER KILL HIM. IF YOU DON’T, YOU’VE MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFER.>>I DISAGREE SLIGHTLY. THERE HAS BEEN BELOW BACK AS THEY SAY IN THE INTELLIGENCE WORLD FROM THE EXPOSURE OF THINGS AND ANTI-BODIES IN THE SYSTEM ARE NOW MUCH MORE VIGOROUS TO SEE AND FEND OFF RUSSIAN INFLUENCE.>>JIM, SO YOU FINALLY GET THIS PIECE BEHIND YOU. WHAT DO YOU WANTED TO WORK ON NEXT.>>I’M VERY INTERESTED STILL IN FACEBOOK AND ITS CONTINUING STORY. I THINK IT’S A HUGE. IT’S OUR DEMOCRACY. THERE’S SO MUCH WE DON’T KNOW.>>AND IF WE’RE THE ONLY THREE OLD ENOUGH TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, IF THE RUSSIANS HAD FIGURED OUT A WAY TO INFLUENCE THE CBS NEWS WITH WALTER CRONKITE, YOU KNOW, FACEBOOK ACTUALLY HAS A GREATER REESE THAN COM KITE HAD. I’M SAYING OVER 50% OF AMERICANS GET THEIR NEWS FROM FACEBOOK. TELL ME, AT WHAT POINT DOES A BETTER GOVERNMENT STEP IN AND SAY YOU START HANDLING YOURSELF RESPONSIBLY OR WE ARE GOING STEP IN.>>OR WE’RE IN TROUBLE. THAT’S A SIMPLE ANSWER. THE ANALOGY YOU USED. CBS NEWS VERSUS FACEBOOK. CBS WOULD TELL YOU WHAT’S GOING ON. FACEBOOK

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  1. The rethuglican crime syndicate has loaded the intelligence machine with garbage from watching the public wash their armpits they missed the theft of the nation!!!

  2. RT (Russia Today) , infowars (alex jones), Breitbart and Fox news are fake news on Putin's payroll.
    We should block them from airing and block them on the web. Shut them off!
    #TrumpMafia #FakePresident #NaziTrump #Jail4Trump

  3. You mean those opposition ads showing Hillary's eyes rolling back in her head and claiming she had everything from Parkinson's to malaria weren't REAL?? How can a "well informed citizenry" separate the wheat from the shaft in the truth fields these days??

  4. Israel has the largest propaganda machine. Russia exposed that, and this is the retaliation. All of these major news corporations are funded by Zionists and these reporters are their mouth pieces

  5. So, Russia did something to the US that the USA has been doing around the world for decades, in far worse forms even.
    What goes around comes around. The only thing the Russians did was show how corrupt the US establishment is. Putin is fighting the neocons and bringing peace to the world by destroying them. Joe and Mika are the megaphones of the neocon establishment. Fake news MSNBC.

  6. Oh, and Google did not manipulate search results to help HRC. But since they are not owned by US government I guess it's ok. We must consider that anything that comes out of corporate media has an agenda attached to the 1%.

  7. trump owns stock in RT that is why they are at trump Tower! They want to tell fake favorable news about trump and hurt the American people!

  8. So not just trump but also Zuckerberg got some putin's rubles. We're learning a little more everyday how to become a billionaire 😎😎😎

  9. The LA City Schools public broadcasting channel carried RT News for a few years. They were so critical of President Obama, it looked like FOX News, but with prettier anchors.

  10. If anyone gets their news from Facebook, they are truly ignorant, misinformed, gullible, and naive. There are trustworthy news sources out there. Facebook is NOT one of them. I would really hate to come face to face with someone who gets their news from FB. They're probably the same people who can't point to where North Korea or Russia is on a map.

  11. Why would you think for one fkucnig second that the system of disinformation used by Lucifer to effectively deny The Christ would not also be effective to deny the arrogant yet purile babbling of American MSM!
    We have reduced ourselves to a system solely evaluated on profit while ignoring effectiveness.

    The thing suffocating America is arrogance while lacking that modicum of humility necessary to be effective.

  12. RT appeals to the far left. There are still far-left media outlets getting paid by RT. They knew that they could appeal enough to the far-left and get Bernie voters to not vote for anyone but a pure progressive.

  13. they coming for our privacy…. trying to have a reason to completely control and dictate Fb …we need to come together and stop them… and stop being stupid

  14. What is not being said is most Americans will believe any conspericy over the facts, if it is true or not. Emotionalism is the real news to these Americans.

  15. I don't know why Mark Halperin is there,he always tries to cushion the criticism of Trump and party.Everyone knows that he is a trump man,and Joe S is another flip flop Trumpist clown.

  16. All social media needs to come clean – especially Twitter, which continues to allow Drumpf to lie thru it, & Facebook, because Zuckerberg has his eyes on the Oval – & they need to do much better. Additionally, we need to ban all political ads 72 hours before an election, as France did.

  17. Joe,
    Please go into more details about the environmental side of things. You make good arguments about RT. I wonder does your network shy off from obvious environmental issues like fracking and ground water contamination and many other issues that are occurring specifically around America related to environmental deregulation.

  18. Please dont compare France, Germany with the United States people. Americans are stupid and racist at baseline- french and Germans are not…. big difference!

  19. I am Irish and I watch American media and RT and I can tell you RT is far more truthful and fact based than any of the American networks. I love America and have been there many times but you guys are being lied to and propagandised to such a degree that you don't know the truth about what is really going on in your country or the rest of the world. I would strongly recommend that you go to other alternative media such as Newsbud, The Corbett Report, the Ron Paul liberty report or other fact based alternative media programmes online to get the truth about what is really going on.

  20. I feel like this happens a lot… Mika will try and keep the showing moving and everyone just talks over her it's really annoying.

  21. It gets annoying when Joe interrupts Mika he does it all the time. Just shut up and let someone talk before you chime in. What you have to say isn't more important and even if it is let the person finish FFS.

  22. Investigate Trump's connections, but in the meantime, would you mind dialing down the anti Russian hysteria just a tiny bit? This is starting to feel like the 1950ies. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/de-demonizing-vladimir-the-hateable_us_59206298e4b094cdba547747

  23. I enjoy some of the programming on RT quite a bit. De facto or de jure, they're no more a propaganda arm of their sponsoring governmental entity than MSNBC is. As to Facebook; anyone who gets their news there without skepticism is too stupid to regulate for anyway, unveiling any attempt to do so as simple censorship.

  24. Putin and his Russian colleagues still have the skills they developed during the cold war. They are master spies, spending years and decades recruiting people in all walks. They don't look for sympathizers as much as they entrap people by 'helping them out' or otherwise opening doors for them. My guess is Zuckerberg and Facebook owe them some favors……..as do a lot of American individuals and companies. That is how Putin operates, a little cooperation here, a turned agent there, a bribe over there and some blackmail or extortion to move things along. These enterprises grow and grow because they feed themselves.

  25. It would be interesting if the originating ISP's national flag was added to usernames in social media and YouTube comments. You would see a whole lot of Bob275's and Mike Lawrence generic "American White Guy" titled accounts with Russian (or other foreign proxy nation) icons next to them.

  26. Even the Russians are smart enough not to use Morning Joe and his wife for propaganda , Those two loud mouth fools are dumber then the proverbial stick in the mud.

  27. Don't just blame the Russians for using social media to influence the election. The majority of the blame should be assigned to the gullible 'murcans!! Trump is an example of a typical 'murcan from the midwest and the south.

  28. Duhhh yeah we need regulation Why hasn't there been. GREED Facebook Google other "new" media owned by billionaires who buy the laws to Max their income. All these cos need do is devote profit their billionaire owners are stuffing into their off shore tax havens into hiring US WORKERS to monitor their systems AND if the humans with these corporations computers and programers help can't keep up with the automated ads, automated ranking etc then SLOW IT DOWN All it means is the billionaire owners get richer slower oh and US workers get jobs and Democracy s saved.

  29. Why is anyone surprised by the fact that a fascist regime of horrific proportions is better at managing propaganda ? I am surprised though that this panel who's answer to this problem is not more freedom of the press and the net but to use the power of government and turn it into an Orwellian nightmare. If you choose to repress and manipulate communications the Russians have already won. Take note freedom begets more freedom crushing comms makes you a repressive regime too. Its thinking like this that brought you legalized torture, the twins if terror Cheney and Rumsfeld and now you have a mentally ill guy who can't use full sentences with the nuclear codes. The world needs smarter people with better ideas and finer skills like diplomacy rather than just military might.

  30. Joe actually praised the Russian effort rather than outrage subtly giving Trump a thumbs up for getting elected. Politics is not get elected by any means. Russians do that. Americans should have higher standards if they command respect.

  31. Please stop. We as a nation have to stop taking the Russians so seriously. Teach our people to think and this all goes away.

  32. My Chinese neighbors eat roosters . They get like 6 of them alive once a year . After a few days they are all gone . So the crazy old creeps are in there killing roosters . The rest of us just go to the grocery store .

  33. JOE for the love of God QUIT interrupting whenever Mika starts to speak, comes off as super arrogant and dismissive…Geeze!

  34. JOE – you have TWO ears and ONE mouth… please stop interrupting everyone and use these facial features accordingly. very annoying.

  35. RT (Russa Today) was using American and British broadcast anchors and reporters to negatively influence viewers in former Soviet countries when I was living/teaching in Republic of Georgia in 2010. I was so disgusted with those traitorous broadcasters, constantly reading Anti-American reports… total lies… totally outrageous… always building Putin up like a hero… always anti-American rhetoric and comments on every news-worthy world story imaginable. I told my friends there then and since… that those broadcasters should be charged with treason and banished from the airwaves permanently. Over the years, I've watched them one by one resign, mostly on air, denouncing Putin. Too late. They're all traitors and should be dealt with as such. Told folks back then and since to beware… that this is coming to America. It did. And I am SHOCKED that anyone has tolerated this Russian-government-owned propaganda machine for more than a day. And have been absolutely disgusted to see my friends actually post and share RT crap with anyone. The question I've always had is "Why the heck did the mainstream American media NOT rail against this from RT's beginning here?" YOU let this happen. And that's equally disgusting. I want to HEAR that you will never hire even ONE of those American traitors… not ever! And you will do everything in your power to make sure everyone knows who they are and what they did to undermine our democracy… for years and years and years! The ONLY thing NEW in this story is that mainstream news outlets are FINALLY reporting on it!

  36. I've been railing against social media and how it makes people stupid for years. Its so blatantly obvious to anyone that doesn't live on their facebook account.

  37. Why do I get the feeling that Russia is trying to push countries that are based on democracy, into a communist country? You know, it might not be a bad idea to buy a gun.

  38. For crying out loud Joe, you have some alpha male issues, don't be so rude and let het speak, I have seen this many times, do you guys have a personal feud or are you overall like this?

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